Sunday, May 17, 2009

NZ Vegan Podcast Episode 21 - Why I agree with the Abolitionist Approach with regard to Pets.

Listen HERE

This is a big subject, and I realize there are so many more things I could say than I said, and so many more reasons I could add to the ones I gave, but I hope I at least got it across why I feel the way I do about this issue and why I personally agree that we should not have companion animals or pets anymore than we should have food animals, clothing animals or animals for entertainment or scientific research.
Firstly this is the link to the video from Hurricane Katrina of which I extracted the audio clip that appears in the podcast.

Please access the following links if you are interested in the words that made me think about this issue of companion animals and agree that the possession of companion animals is not morally justifiable and therefore not right. I hope you read it because it is very well written! I hope it makes as much sense to you as it does to me. This whole article is great, the chapter on pets in regard to this specific topic is question number 3.

Also here is a great clip from an interview: scroll down to the interview called:

click on mp3 to hear the clip.

A great article:

Another great article:

The following is a link to a link to a debate in which the arguments presented by Professor Francione make utter and complete logical sense to me, and if they don't make sense to someone else who reads them, then there is no way that this podcast episode will :-)

I would say that the arguments presented in the above debate are the best ones to read if you want to know how you really feel about the issue. I cannot see anyone who successfully refutes Professor Francione's statements, I just see the utter sense, logic and reason in the philosophy. However I am very aware that not everyone agrees, although I have never seen, read or heard anything by someone who doesn't agree that has convinced me otherwise.

P.S. here is a link to the vegan (/vegetarian *sigh*) childrens book! I think it is the first of its kind! Rock on!
That's Why We Don't Eat Animals

P.P.S Adam Kochanowicz's show is called Vegan FM not Vegan TV - sorry! Here is the link (it is also in the link list)


  1. I am outraged by your last podcast. As someone with a pet washing machine, I was blissfully listening to the washing machine sound effects and you go and neuter them. Tut!

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells (aka, Roger from Ireland).

  2. LOL! Apologies for the washing machine ;-)

  3. Again Elizabeth... you make such good sense. Although I have a rescued dog and cats, even though I try to provide the best care... it is not what they would experience in the wild. But they are the result of ignorance... and it's only right to care for them as a result.

    One thing of mention regarding pets, as long as we have pets... we will have need of drugs and surgery that will extend/improve their lives. This always involves testing on countless other animals, therefore there's no way we will ever be able to justify "pets" in a vegan world...

    For now the best we can do is to find homes for the ones who need them, be vocal against euthanasia and be a loud voice against breeding them.

    Thanks for this reaffirmation of the negative issues regarding animals as pets.

  4. Thank you for your support. This is not a radical viewpoint, and it helps for people to see that other people have come to the same logical conclusion.